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She flew back to Iowa in a rage, David Bagby says. How could they let an accused murderer walk free? But did they manage to make it through the separation unscathed? Ive never seen people react more passionately, intensely. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. he was fussy at all. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). Time for all of them to get together at McDonalds for Zacharys first birthday party. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. Andrew Bagby was studying at Memorial University medical school in Newfoundland when he met Turner, a fellow medical student 12 years his senior. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. It was a congloption, Kate says of the menu. A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. While fending off extradition efforts by U.S. law enforcement, she announced she was pregnant with Andrew's son, Zachary. Trigger warnings for murder, stalking, abuse, and child murder.The Bagbys are saints and seeing the story as it played out for them was better than any true crime book I have read. Mommy misses you. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? His parents were ecstatic. The rest of the documentary details the fallout of this tragedy, including Kate and David's activism changed bail laws for suspects of dangerous crimes. In the beginning, Kate did not pursue any romantic relationshipswith the single menin the house, but David almost immediately started flirting with the single women. They know they deal with their grief differently and they honor that. Shirley. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. I rarely give anything a perfect score, but the reason I'm not this time is simply because it was too sad. Then, on August 16, six weeks before Turner was to appear in court, the Bagbys went with her and Zachary to a swimming pool. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. If one thinks the American justice system is slow moving and against the victim most times, then one should encounter the Canadian justice system. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. He said, `What can happen?'. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. Neither speaks for the other. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. When another man scorns her during this time, she kills herself and the baby, all to the horror of Andrew's parents. Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. Zachary's corpse described him as looking up to the sky. Than they are able to see a light at the end of the tunnel when she announces she is pregnant with Andrew Bagby's child, to be named Zachary. Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. Was it true? MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? Andrew is dead. So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest true crime memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. Was she lying? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. Mackenzie spent a semester studying abroad in Dublin, and has had the travel bug ever since. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. Then you just get used to it.. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. "This was our goal," said Bagby. She eventually kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. Being from Newfoundland,I was well aware of the happenings in this book as they were happening. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. And that little boy. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? It was like they had gone back to what it might have been like when they first got married.. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. Therefore be forewarned that the back of the book reveals exactly what happened, as does the book itself near the beginning. The watch was continued after a more comprehensive psychological exam. More than all that, the Bagbys tale is about two people who endured one personal tragedy, which was compounded in harrowing ways that would surely crush most of us. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. I said, `This woman was in town. But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. The Bagbys, whod already been traveling back and forth to Canada for the extradition hearings, knew what they had to do. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. Play trailer 2:39. Cant imagine the pain the author went through writing this book. The Fridays he and a classmate from Bellarmine College Preparatory would come home early and fix dinner in that kitchen. There is only so much that Kurt could fit in an hour and a half and I learned so much more by reading things from David's own words. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. I am, just under the surface, perpetually angry. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. That one comes back a lot. And that was midafternoon. On Nov. 14, a Canadian judge ruled that Turner should indeed be jailed while arguments continued on whether she should be sent back to the United States. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. The decision was put on hold, however, with an appeal hearing scheduled for September. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. But something kept me going, and. Very, very serious. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. `Are you Kathleen Bagby? I said, `Yes. He said, `You have to call the coroner in Greensburg. I knew then, it had to be Andrew.. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. If both parties dont recognize that, he says, then youve got trouble.. They recorded them. At the time, Turner was wanted in the U.S. to face trial for the murder of Andrew Bagby. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. I dont know.. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. Turner, a general practitioner, was 42 when she killed herself and her son. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. Kate, the compassionate nurse with the unshakable religious faith. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? Reviewed in the United States on October 26, 2016. The documentary was also made with the intention of being given to Andrew's son Zachary to explain the full story of his family. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. I have to be honest, I've stopped reading this at 27%. I think it was supposed to be just a brief college romance, says Kurt Kuenne, Andrews close friend since first grade at St. Andrews School in Saratoga. And we came back. Book details an absolute tragedy in the Canadian justice system. Whom was also a doctor. Then, upon. It gets a bit bogged down in legal tedium. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. Cpl. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. He was like Andrew. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. Snow. Kate Bagby still cannot believe that murder has engulfed her life. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. The project took a tragic turn and became a catalyst for legal change when Zachary didn't live to see it. However, David and Toneata's relationship did not last long. ", Get email updates with the day's biggest stories. Sold and delivered by Audible, an Amazon company, By completing your purchase, you agree to Audibles. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. . KATE: I had a great childhood. Why? But how? to reconsider getting some help with that. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! "Every time I saw Shirley I'd think, 'That's the finger that pulled the trigger on the gun that killed Andrew,'" says Kate. substance to it. And he's like, `I'm not looking for anything serious. You can, just--there's nothing. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. (Talking in group) This is not about money. DNA testing proved he was Andrew Bagbys son. The world is a better place because David and Kate are in it! Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. After seeing the documentary about this case, "Dear Zachary," I was itching to get my hands on this book. Kurt Kuenne embarked on the documentary following the murder of his best friend, Andrew. Two days later, at 5.30am, Turner turned up at his Penntment, sylvania apartment, having driven 16 hours to see him. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. He would always be sitting on that chair, there, Kate says, pointing to a stool at the kitchen breakfast bar, on the phone.. David was taking pictures, Kate says. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. The title of the documentary, "Dear Zachary" jumped out at me because I have a son named Zachary. Nor do the memories, starting with the Nov. 6, 2001, phone call. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. It's great. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' This book is more about how the justice system failed and 2 more people are dead because of it. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. Specific in nature? Im sure shes just gone somewhere. I wouldn't say I enjoyed the story - There is no happy ending but it brings to light the serious issues surrounding the system. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. The film doesn't mention what consequences Jusitce Gail Welsh faced for allowing Shirley Turner to walk free. Some days its difficult to get out of bed, Kate, 65, says. But the book is also the story of a remarkable couple whose journey of grief took them from the suburban comfort of Northern California to the harsh coast and courts of Newfoundland, Canada. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. I can understand that. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. Anything to be with Zachary, Kate says. then one day I realized what it was. I just want to get through medical school.'. But he could not get rid of her.. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' Shirley kills Zachary and herself by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. He's a little bleary eyed, but. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. Change is slow. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. I didn't like her but I didn't think she was capable of murder.". whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. Their sons killer was off the streets and their grandchild would come live with them. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. Turner, then 40, drove the 950 miles straight through and arrived at Andrews door at 5 a.m. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. The Hornet was just back from patrolling the coast of Vietnam. Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. This story broke my heart. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. Id say, `Oh, its so good to see you. And hed say, `Its so good to be seen.'. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. Hello. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. We're churning. This story is about how the justice system in Canada failed the Bagby's -- not only when it comes to extraditing the murderer of their only son, but in aiding the murder of their only grandchild, Zachary -- their last living link to their son. Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. At 3am on Monday, August 18, Turner drove to a near by marina . helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. The next day, she got in her car with her gun.. No one can tell the story as clearly and with as much emotion as his father does in this book. I had a husband I loved. However, the intended audience of the film. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. Something went wrong, please try again later. The Bagbys offered each other a balance. Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. Once he discovered she was accused of killing a past boyfriend, he told officers, he tried to break off the relationship. After all the backlash he received for his behavior, however, his decision to step away from the spotlight isn't surprising. Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. If you dont believe that, you need only follow the Bagbys lives over the past five years. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with and have fun here in school.' For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearable? When search suggestions are available use up and down arrows to review and enter to select. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. Shirley. A man, who would not give police his name, called the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary to report that he had met Turner in a St. Johns bar and that he later had sex with her. Why didn't the many people who witnessed Shirley Turner's disturbing behavior and intense wrath make an issue in the courts more of it? Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. Kurt's film, meanwhile, was released last year and hailed in the US as one of 2008's most moving documentaries. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? He was jolly.. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. Society as a whole should take the lessons derived from this book and just pray the same tragedy never befalls their own family. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. He and Kate say they know now that they have more than anger to sustain them. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. The couple's long fight for legal changes in Canada ended Wednesday with a new law. and, despite her history of unstable behavior, stalking men who wanted to escape from her insanity and documented history of suicidal gestures when rejected by any of her numerous lovers Shirley Turner was allowed to retain primary physical and legal custody of her son that she was pregnant with when she murdered his father, Zachary. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. A tale of sorrow and survival. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. They're like, `What do you mean?' keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. From the first episode, it seemed Kate was more invested in the relationship than David. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. Why don't you just take him?'. Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". Zachary was learning some words well, words he understood that Kate and David were sure they understood, too. The movie had me in tears and in rage all at once. Kuenne said he's grateful that politicians championed a law that could save lives. I have some hope that telling this story in detail has a chance to cause change in the law, David says of his book. ago [removed] duraraross 5 mo. Content-wise, this Is exactly what I wanted and more. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. "It was an overpowering feeling. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. The Bagbys thoughts soon turned from suicide. All Access Digital offer for just 99 cents! to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. decision. Mommy loves you. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. See rank. Did anyone have more friends than he? He had been shot five times - in the face, chest, twice in the buttocks and once in the back of the head. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. A three-volume report released in 2006 by coroner Peter Markesteyn blamed fundamental flaws in the province's social services for Zachary's preventable death. As the police searched for Turner and Zachary through the day on Aug. 18, Kate and David waited in their apartment with the Rev. They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. Some months ago I watched the documentary, "Dear Zachery" on Netflix. The couple were so scared of upsetting Turner and losing access to Zachary they forced themselves to be cordial. Andrew came to St. John's. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. Reviewed in the United States on January 15, 2017, This is a book written by David Bagby about the murder of his son by his mentally ill obsessed stalker Dr. Shirley Turner. She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. One of Davids shipmates knew the parents of Kates friend well and he knew Kate and her friend were anxious to see the sights. He loved to laugh, Kate says. Did anybody want to take them? David says. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. Not too long ago? He was such a good baby. But the interview never happened and the social workers brief report was one of the last notes to ever go into Turners file. They drowned Aug. 18, 2003, in what was ruled a murder-suicide. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. The murder-suicide was a huge news story in Canada. Serious crime is rare in this country. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. The show takes four couples who are having trouble in their relationship and separates them from one another. 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